Title: Re: [RFD] UDP proposal: NEWS.CONCENTRIC.NET (Concentric Network Corporation - XO Communications, Inc): A Request for Remedial Action Author: J. Randy Mitchell <mitch@mail.com> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:09:56 +0000 (UTC)
"Stephen K. Gielda" wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > In article <3B8EFE48.9F807C68@mail.com>, mitch@mail.com says... > > "Stephen K. Gielda" wrote: > > > > > > I am equally bothered by the widespread spamming by COTSE and > > > > DIZUM users. Concentric/XO is their service provider. There is > > > > just too much abuse going on and nothing getting done. > > > > > > > > > > Abuse? You mean real abuse or some poster who got under your > > > skin? If it is abuse of the net, we'll kill the account mighty > > > quick. But if someone isn't committing abuse of the net and is > > > just annoying you, then use your kill file. If they morph to > > > avoid kill files, we'll warn them and if they don't stop then > > > term them. > > > > > > But most cries of abuse about cotse are usually because someone > > > is involved in a flamewar and we won't terminate the account so > > > the other party can win the war by account term. Abuse of the > > > net issues we jump on pretty fast. > > > > > > /steve > > > - -- > > > Stephen K. Gielda > > > Packetderm, LLC > > > > What can be done about a group of Usenet bullies > > who plan and execute the taking over of a newsgroup > > by using the cascade, excessive crosspostings, forging > > other participants in the newsgroup, constant flaming, > > threatening people, changing names and subjects to > > circumvent killfiles and bragging about their conquests > > on a specific newsgroup? > > > > Cascades are considered as a flood, if one of our users is cascading > and does not stop when warned they will lose their account. > Excessive crossposting cannot happen, the mail2news gates only allow > 5 groups. Forging (if a real forge, meaning exact dupe of e-mail > address) is a ToS violation that will result in account term (same > name, diff email is not a forge, but in extreme cases we will address > same name spoofing, whether or not it is extreme is something that we > decide). Flaming use your killfile. Threatening, use your kill file > or subpoena our records if the threats are serious enough to address > legally. If death threats, contact law enforcement (death threats, > bomb threats, etc we will release info to an authorized law > enforcement officer without a subpoena if the threat is overt and > obvious, or you can subpoena our logs if you can't get LE to address > it with us). Excessive morphing is a ToS violation, they'll be > warned first and if they do not stop, will be termed (excessive > morphing means something that we would be unable to easily killfile > if we were reading the group). Bragging, use your kill file. > > /steve > - -- > Stephen K. Gielda > Packetderm, LLC
I may have been a little vague in my original post. I didn't mean to imply that your specific organization was allowing users to get away with the abuse I mentioned. I have complained about this to the domain and one of the violators is apparently the administrator of the domain I complained to or he somehow was able to obtain a copy of the abuse report because he is still using my complaint e-mail as a sig line in his abusive posts. I also made a report to his internet backbone provider, but they have not responded after one week.
Most of the regulars and I have killfiled these clowns, but we have always been a group that helps other user with problems with audio software and have a pretty good reputation for being a place where certain difficult problems can be solve with all of our collective knowledge. We have new participants on a daily basis and if they pop into the group and see this attempted take over going on they'll be discouraged enough to seek advice somewhere else. I hate to see this happen to our once quiet and informative group. The individuals responsible are known throughout usenet as abusers and flamers, but nothing seems to be getting done about them. If you will go to:
http://member.newsguy.com/~shpxurnq
You can see that these clowns are proud of their accomplishments and something needs to be done. They have taken over the alt.rock-n-roll.stones newsgroup and chased away the regulars there and are trying to do the same thing in alt.music.mp3.napster . There are plenty of places where these type of posters can go and engage in all the infantile behavior they like, but I feel that I have exhausted all my recourses because no one seems to want to do anything about it.
I came here hoping someone would be able to point me in a more productive direction.
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